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253971

Cpl. Thomas George Hodder

British Army 2nd Btn. Hampshire Regiment

from:Southampton

(d.13th Aug 1915)




244846

Pte. William Hodgart

British Army 6th Btn. King's Own Scottish Borderers

from:Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland

(d.17th July 1916)

William Hodgart was the 2nd son to be lost in the war. I presume he was reported missing in action. I have no photographs. The memorial at Thiepval, France states that he died at age 30 on the 17th of July 1916. His Father was William Hodgart and his Mother was Anne Maxwell.

His other brother James is buried at Stane cemetry, Shotts Lanarkshire, Scotland in a war grave. James was in the Royal Scots Greys and died 19 March 1919 age 36. So sad to find out two sons lost in war and I am sure it must have been the same for many families.




255614

Pte William Hodgart

(d.17 July 1916)

William enlisted after his wife and child died. Then he was KIA July 1916 died and left one daughter. Her name was Alice Hodgart.




247406

Pte. Edward Lanyon Hodge

British Army 9th Battalion Devonshire Regiment

from:Trevidgoe Farm, Withiel, Cornwall

(d.10th August 1916)

Edward Hodge, known to his family as Ted was born in 1894, and was the second son of William and Beatrice Hodge, of Trevidgoe Farm in Withiel, Cornwall. He was the second youngest of his four siblings, Marjorie, William (known as Guy), Beatrice and Geoff. On the outbreak of the First World War, Ted and his younger brother, Geoff, declared that as soon as the harvest was over they would leave the family farm, and join up. They travelled to Plymouth together to do so, and in 1915 both brothers were serving in France.

Ted served with the 9th Battalion, the Devonshire Regiment which was a unit of 20th Brigade. The 9th Bn. embarked at Southampton on the 27th July, and arrived at Le Havre, France on the 28th July 1915. Two months later, on September 25th, Ted was injured by shrapnel at the Battle of Loos. Information passed down through the family suggests that after obtaining this severe wound to his thigh, he was forced to crawl for over a mile before he could find help.

The official account of the 9th Devonshire Regiment for the 25th September states:

"On the right, the 20th Brigade had carried the German front trenches within half an hour of the attack starting. Its leading battalions were the 2nd Gordons (the old 92nd Highlanders) and the 8th Devons, one of the two service battalions which had taken the place of the Guards battalions formerly in the brigade. Despite the loss of most of their officers, these two units pressed on vigorously, capturing eight field guns and more prisoners; they were only checked when they reached the point where the Hulloch-Vermelles road crosses that from Lens to La Bassee. Here, well ahead of the troops on either flank, and reduced to a mere handful, they came to a standstill. In support of them came up the 6th Gordons, a Territaorial battalion from Banff and Donside, and some of the 9th Devons and 2nd Borderers. The bulk of the 9th Devons and Borderers halted at the gun positions where they dug in, linking up the emplacements into a continuous trench, hereafter known as Gun Trench."

Ted was sent back to Blighty, and to the Royal Victoria Hospital at Netley (near Southampton) for treatment. His eldest brother, Guy, went to visit him, and was alarmed to find that Ted's leg was swollen to almost the size of his body. When Guy asked why doctors didn't just take the leg off, Ted bitterly replied that that they wouldn't do that if they thought they had a chance of returning him to the front. Ted returned to the family farm and was discharged from the Army on the 25th July 1916, 10 months after being wounded. He died of his wounds 16 days after his discharge, on the 10th August. He was 22 years old.

On his death certificate, Ted is listed as a former Private of the 9th Devons, and an army pensioner. His father is listed as the informant, William Hodge, Father, Present at the death, Trevidgoe, Withiel.

Ted is buried in the village cemetery near his home, beside his parent's graves. The inscription reads: In Loving Memory of Edward Lanyon, beloved son of William and Beatrice Hodge. Died 10th of August 1916 from the effect of wounds received at Loos, 25th of September 1915, aged 22 years. Perhaps because Ted had died at home, and almost a year after being wounded, he was not recognised as a war casualty by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission and did not appear on any Roll of Honour, until 2008. A wreath is now laid on his grave, now officially recognised as a war grave, on Remembrance Day each year.

Ted's younger brother, Geoff, was killed in action in 1918, serving with the 9th Bn. Kings Royal Rifles Corps (see separate listing). Their eldest brother (and parent's only surviving son), Guy, had been unable to join up due to a heart condition he'd had from birth. The family farm had to give up their horses to the war effort, a sacrifice from which Guy never recovered. At the death of his two brothers, Guy was forced to give up his studies to become a veterinary surgeon, and instead had to take on the family farm, which was sold a few years later, in 1922. One of Ted's sisters, Beatrice, served as a nurse with the Red Cross during the war, and his oldest sister, Marge, lost her fiance as well as two brothers in the war she never married, and later became a schoolteacher in the local town, Bodmin. Guy was my Great Grandfather.




247405

Cpl. Geoffrey Hodge

British Army 9th Btn. Kings Royal Rifle Corps

from:Trevidgoe Farm, Withiel, Cornwall

(d.21st March 1918)

Geoffrey Hodge was born on the 27th February 1896, Geoff was the youngest child of William and Beatrice Hodge of Trevidgoe Farm, Withiel, Cornwall. His siblings were Marjorie, William (Guy), Beatrice, and Edward (Ted). On the outbreak of the First World War, Geoff and his brother Ted declared that as soon as the harvest was over they would leave the family farm and join up. They traveled to Plymouth together to do so, and in 1915 both brothers were serving in France.

Geoff served with the 9th Battalion Kings Royal Rifle Corps, surviving the majority of the war unscathed, being promoted to the rank of Corporal, and outliving his brother Ted, who died of wounds received at the Battle of Loos in 1915 while serving with the 9th Bn. Devonshire Regiment. (See separate listing).

During the first day of the Kaiserslacht, the 1918 German Spring Offensive, Geoff was reported missing. His family didn't hear news of him for nine months, until after the armistice. In December 1918, Geoff's mother received a letter from The Enquiry Department for Wounded and Missing, informing her that a prisoner of war, Lance Corporal H. Bayliss, had returned to France with the news that Geoff had been killed at the time that he himself had been taken prisoner

According to Bayliss, Geoff was killed on the 21st March, 1918. He was aged just 22. His body was never found. Geoff is commemorated on a panel of Pozieres memorial, in France. Previously, the name which honours Geoff's memory had been misspelt as Hodges, however the Commonwealth War Graves Commission kindly rectified this mistake in 2008. The outline of the extra s can still be faintly seen.

Geoff is also recorded on the Roll of Honour in Winchester Cathedral - Winchester being the home of his regiment. He was awarded the British War Medal and Allied Victory Medal, along with a Bronze Death Plaque.

Both Geoff and his brother Ted were killed in the First World War. Their eldest brother (and their parents only surviving son), Guy (my Great Grandfather), had been unable to join up due to heart condition he'd had since birth. The family farm had to give up their horses to the war effort, a sacrifice from which Guy never recovered. At the death of his two brothers, Guy was forced to give up his studies to become a veterinary surgeon, and instead had to take on the family farm - which was sold a few years later, in 1922. One of Geoff's sisters, Beatrice, served as a nurse with the Red Cross during the war, and his oldest sister Marge lost her fiance as well as two brothers in the war she never married, and later became a schoolteacher in the local town, Bodmin.




227883

Sgt. James Hodge

British Army 6th Battalion Cameronians

from:Whiteinch, Glasgow

(d.2nd May 1916)

James Hodge was born in Whiteinch, Glasgow on April 29th 1886. He was the son of John Hodge and Annabella Hodge (nee McKenzie). James was a Sergeant in the 6th Battalion Cameronians (Scottish Rifles). He was killed in action in France on 2nd May 1916. (aged 30). He is buried in Cambrin Churchyard Extension in France.

His younger brother John who served in the 9th Battalion Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) went missing in action in Flanders in 1918 (aged 27) They were my Grandmother's brothers.




218288

Fus. John Hodge

British Army 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers

from:Low coylton

(d.1st oct 1915)

John Hodge was my great uncle. I have no further information about him.




234702

Cpl. Percy Henry Hodge

British Army 8th Btn. Kings Royal Rifle Corps

from:54 Ringwood Rd, Twerton, Bath Somerset

(d.24th August 1916)




217863

Able Sea. Robert Taylor "James Quin" Hodge

Royal Navy Nelson Battalion Royal Naval Division

from:Camelon, Scotland

(d.13th Nov 1916)

Robert `Hodge was born in Edinburgh on 12th November 1897, the son of John and Elizabeth Hodge (nee Taylor) of 135 West Carron, Falkirk, Stirlingshire. John was a gasman. They had at least five children: Maggie Hodge (b. 1889) John Hodge (b. 1891) William Hodge (b. 1892) Robert Taylor Hodge (b. 1897) and George Hodge (b. 1898). Elizabeth also had a child Maggie Taylor (b. 1890)

Robert Hodge was employed as a labourer. He enlisted on 23rd April 1915 and served with the Royal Naval Division. He joined the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force on 9th September 1915 and was posted to Nelson Battalion on 21st September 1915. He was evacuated from Gallipoli on 8th January 1916 and was sent to France in May 1916, where he was killed during the attack on Beaucourt. Robert's body was never found or identified




219492

Pte. Thomas John Hodge

British Army Middlesex Regiment

from:70 Walton Road, Manor Park, London

My Grandfather Thomas John Hodge joined the Middlesex Regiment on the 8th September 1914, aged 24. He was posted to France. I am still researching where he was stationed. During my research I found evidence of him being awarded 10 days FP no: 2, at first I assumed this was some sort of leave because the date coincided with the birth of my father. I subsequently found that FP stands for field punishment. This is defined as being shackled in irons, what he had done to deserve this I do not know.

His medical records show that he was wounded in 1916 and spent three months in the army hospital at Etaples. Two years later, as the war was coming to an end he was admitted to hospital with suspected Bronchitis, this was later diagnosed as TB and he was invalided out of the army in May 1918. During his medical examination he stated that he was gassed in 1916 and his breathing problems began after that.

Six months after he came out of the army his 18 month-old baby daughter died, and on 16th October 1919 having served throughout the whole of the war he died from his illness, he was 29. He left my Grandmother with two boys and an army pension of 11 shillings.




232652

Pte. Henry Hodgens

British Army 24th (Tyneside Irish) Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers

from:Gateshead




213795

Cpl George W. Hodges

British Army 1st Btn. Rifle Brigade

George Hodges gave me his medals when I was working at Dorking station about thirty years ago. He asked me to look after them I have done so and they have a prominent place in my house.




235599

Sgt. James Hodges

British Army 7th Btn. East Kent Regiment (The Buffs)

from:Rochester, Kent




206857

Pte. William Henry Hodges

British Army 1st Btn. South Wales Borderers

from:Treherbert, Rhondda

(d.10th Nov 1917)

William Hodges was born on 10 Aug 1892 at No7, Cardigan Terrace, Nantymoel, Llandyfodwg, South Wales. He was the only son of Thomas James & Minnie Hodges. Thomas was a collier from Bristol, St. George and he had moved temporarily to South Wales to search for work in the coal mines. By the time William was old enough to work, he too, was a collier. In 1913, like many young men, disillusioned with life in the mines, William joined the 2nd Battalion of the South Wales Borderers army regiment. Many young men saw this as a way out of the dreary and dangerous life of a pit worker.

The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand on June 28th 1914 set in motion a chain of events that erupted into WW1. William Hodges had been in the Tiensin area of China since enlisting in 1913. At the outbreak of war he was involved in the attack on the German-controlled port of Tsingtao. The Germans surrendered control in November 1914 and by January 1915 William had been transferred to the Gallipoli Campaign in which he was wounded on 2nd May 1915.

He was shipped back to England to recover. During his recovery he either visited or was convalescing in Liverpool. Sometime between December 1915 & March 1916 he met my Grandmother Elizabeth.

Elizabeth’s first husband, Daniel Butterworth, had been killed in action 12 months earlier in France leaving her with 2 young children to support. By February 1916, William must have known that he too was going to be shipped out to France or Flanders once his recovery was complete.

I have often wondered what William & Elizabeth must have been thinking during this time. She, widowed at the age of 20, with 2 children, must have been terrified at the prospect that, without a husband to support her, she and her children could possibly be forced into a workhouse. William, a young 20 year old batchelor, who had already witnessed the horrors of the war and had narrowly escaped death in Gallipoli, was probably worried that he would not be so lucky in Flanders. His dreams of marriage and starting his own family were far from certain.

It was with this uncertainty, surrounding both their lives, that they married at the parish church of Liverpool on 16th February 1916. One month later Elizabeth was pregnant. Sometime during the summer of 1916 William took Elizabeth to meet his parents who, at this time, were living in Treherbert, Blaenrhondda, South Wales. After the trip William, now fully recovered, received his orders. He was transferred to the 1st Battalion of the South Wales Borderers. And after intensive training & exercise the Battalion set sail for France and Flanders. In November 1916, while William was away in Flanders, Elizabeth gave birth to a baby girl. She called her 'Martha' and she was my Grandmother.

In Flanders, On 6th November 1917, the town of Passchendaele was captured by Canadian forces but, the battle for the high ground to the north of Passchendaele was still raging. Allied forces including: The 1st South Wales Borderers & The Canadian 8th Army had established a defensive line on the ‘Goudberg Spur’. This spur was situated near ‘Goudberg Copse’ and was populated with small farm houses & buildings that were occupied by German forces. An attack was planned for the 10th November 1917. This was to be the last offensive of the Ypres, the Passchendaele Battles.

At 5.00am William Henry Hodges & his company would head north from 'Valour Farm' after the British Rolling Barrage had pummelled the German positions. Heavy rain had partially flooded the trenches and surrounding shell craters. The wooden ‘duck boards’, on which the soldiers walked, were submerged and if a man should slip off while carrying his full pack he would almost certainly slide into one of the many mud filled shell holes with no chance of rescue or escape.

When the barrage started the terrain was so unrecognisable that it became difficult for the artillery to locate the German positions. To make matters worse, as ‘A Company’ went over the top they ran into their own barrage causing several casualties and resulted in the battalion edging off to the right. The soldiers had trouble locating their objectives and gradually as German counter attacks became stronger the offensive stalled.

During this offensive and somewhere, in the vicinity of Goudberg on the 10th November 1917, William Henry Hodges was killed in action. The exact location is not known and his body was never found. Elizabeth received a telegram several weeks after the Battle and was devastated.

One night in a drunken rage she threw William’s medals into a coal bunker. In the dead of night Martha, now aged 5, went out and retrieved them. She kept them, safe and hidden, under her mattress for many years. Occasionally, when nobody was around, she would take them out and polish them. Martha, my Grandmother, never met her father and no photograph of him survives. She knew very little about his life and so, shortly before she died in 2002, she was thrilled to be taken to 'Nantymoel' to see the house where her father was born.

Pte.William Henry Hodges (10857) 1st Battalion. South Wales Borderers.

Not Forgotten.




258410

L/Cpl William Henry Hodges

British Army 8th Btn Leicestershire Regiment

(d.15th Jul 1916)




218154

Pte. Oliver W. Hodgetts

British Army 1st Btn. Worcestershire Regiment

(d.4th Jun 1915)

Pte. O. W. Hodgettswas executed for cowardice 04/06/1915 and buried in The Royal Irish Rifles Graveyard, Laventie, France. He served with the Worcestershire Regiment. He was serving with the 1st Battalion when they arrived on the Western Front on the 8th November 1914 fresh from Egypt. Some 5 days later the Battalion took up a defensive position in trenches facing Neuve Chapelle and came under heavy bombardment from the enemy during which seven men were killed and 25 wounded. During the next three days (16th to 19th November 1914) a further 13 men were killed and 27 wounded. During this period Private Hodgetts went missing but on this occasion no action was taken against him.

On the 19th November 1914 the men of the 1st Battalion exhausted climbed out of the trenches frozen and in heavy snow fall made their way back to billets at La Gorgue, six miles away. Next day one man in four suffered with frost-bitten hands or feet and in many cases feet or toes had to be amputated. On the 9th May 1915 just prior to the attack on Festubert, Hodgetts went missing yet again just as the Battalion prepared to go into action. On the 12th May Hodgetts reported to a nearby unit and claimed he had sprained his ankle, but when he was examined by the medical officer no injury was discovered. On 22nd May 1915 he was brought to trial where he was undefended. Hodgetts conduct sheet showed that he had been sentenced to 90 days field punishment on the 1st March 1915.

His commanding officer Major George W. St. G. Grogan at the trial described Hodgetts as a worthless fighting soldier who was only intent on saving his own skin. At his court martial Private Hodgetts was found guilty of cowardice. Field Marshal Sir John French confirmed the sentence and Pte. Hodgetts was shot by firing squad on 4th June 1915. He was only 20 years of age.




210630

Pte. James Barlow Hodgins

British Army 11th Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

from:Dublin




255126

Pte. William Hodgkin

British Army 6th Btn. East Kent Regiment

from:Horsmonden

(d.1st May 1917)




242281

L/Cpl. Frederick Archibold Hodgkins MM.

British Army 2nd Btn. Middlesex Regiment

from:Nottinghill, London

(d.20th November 1917)

Frederick Hodgkins is my great uncle and came from Nottinghill, London.




247054

L/Cpl. Frederick Archibold Hodgkins MM.

British Army 2nd Btn. Middlesex Regiment

from:Notting Hill

(d.20th Nov 1917)

My great uncle Frederick Hodgkins MM. Hero, gone but never forgotten.




500798

Pte. Alfred J. Hodgkinson

British Army 2/8th Btn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment

Alfred and John Hodgkinson served with the Royal Warwickshire Regiment




246209

2nd.Lt. Geoffrey Still Hodgkinson

British Army 277th Brigade, A Bty. Royal Field Artillery

(d.24th July 1917)

Second Lieutenant Geoffrey Hodgkinson served with A Battery, 277th Brigade Royal Field Artillery.




248009

VAD Lily Hodgkinson

British Red Cross

Lily Hodgkinson was a nurse, she married one of her patients, Ernly Wray of the 19th Battalion, Manchester Regiment.




234094

LaL/Cpl. William Henry Hodgkinson

British Army 8th Btn. Yorks & Lancaster Regt

from:Monckton. Yorkshire

(d.1st July 1916)




212980

Pte. Richard Hodgkiss

British Army 11th Btn. Sherwood Foresters

from:73 Pool st. Wolverhampton

(d.7th Jun 1917)




217585

Pte. Harry Hodgman

AIF 5th Infantry Battalion

from:Australia

(d.25 April 1915)

Harry Hodgman was born at Brighton, Tasmania on 12 August 1891 to parents Thomas and Robina Hodgman. Prior to the war his military experience came from his years with the Derwent Garrison in Tasmania.

A salesman by trade, Hodgman enlisted in Melbourne on 17 August 1914 and was assigned to the 5th Infantry Battalion. On 21 October 1914, Hodgman departed Melbourne aboard HMAT Orvieto. He was killed in action at Gallipoli on the day of the landing of 25 April 1915. According to an account by Lieutenant George Howard Earp (then a private), Hodgman was killed whilst participating in one of the last advances from the beach at ANZAC Cove. He had been shot through the head by a sniper along with 610 Private Reginald Clive Brownell at around 4.30pm. He was 23 years old. Hodgman is buried at Lone Pine Cemetery,Turkey.

The Hodgman family was to suffer the loss of two more sons. Harry s brother 4325 Corporal Alan Gunn Hodgman of the 52nd Infantry Battalion was killed on 7 June 1917 at the battle of Messines in Belgium. His brother, 4923 Lance Corporal Frank Rule Hodgman, served with the 52nd Infantry Battalion and was discharged and sent back to Australia due to a head wound sustained at Mouquet Farm. A mariner by trade, after returning to Australia on 4 May 1917 he resumed his naval career. Frank Hodgman was the captain of the transport ship Southern Cross that was lost in 1920 off the coast off King Island, Tasmania.




210714

L/Cpl. Amos Hodgson

British Army 7th Btn. "C" company East Yorkshire Regiment

from:Leeholme, Bishop Auckland

(d.1st Jul 1916)

Amos Hodgson was Killed in Action, the family story is that he died after a trench he was in collapsed on top of him burying him alive.




212930

L/Cpl. Arthur Alexander Hodgson

British Army Middlesex Regiment

from:114 Albert Street, West Kilburn, London.

(d.8th June 1917)

Arthur Alexander Hodgson was born in 1894 in Hampstead, London, the son of Alma Alexander and Ellen Theresa Hodgson. Prior to joining the army he worked as an outdoor porter but he signed his Attestation Papers on 3rd October 1911 and enlisted at Mill Hill. He was first assigned to the Royal West Kent Regiment, but the following day he was transferred to the Middlesex Regiment.

Up until November 1914 Arthur served in the 4th and 3rd Battalions (in that order), during which time he saw service at Devonport and in Cawnpore (India). He was invalided home in November 1914 but in May 1915 he was posted to the 6th Battalion, entering the French theatre on 1st June 1915. He remained there for only sixteen days before being returned to the UK as permanently unfit for the front. Back in the UK he served in the 3rd and 6th Battalions but on 9th August 1916 he was once again approved for foreign military service and posted to the 13th Battalion in France.

Arthur's service record states that he was wounded in action (above the thigh) on 30th September 1916. On 25th April 1917 he was made Lance Corporal (unpaid) before being confirmed in the rank on 9th May 1917. The precise location where Arthur was killed is not stated on his service record, but the War Diary for the 13th Battalion Middlesex Regiment details the events leading up to his death:

7th June 1917 The assembly trenches were reached about 2.0 a.m. At 3.10 a.m. the 41st Divn went over the top & captured the Red Line (1st objective) the same time several large mines were exploded. The intense bombardment lasted all the morning & during that time the Blue (Damm Strasse) & Black Lines (2nd & 3rd objectives) were taken by the 41st Divn. 11.30 a.m. The 13th Middx. Regt. Moved forward to Eclus Trench & Old French Trench. 1.30 p.m. The Bn. moved forward to the Black Line (present front line & jumping off line for 73rd Bde.) Within a few minutes of arrival the Bn. went over the top (3.10 p.m.) under an excellent barrage.

Dispositions: - Right front COY B under Capt. R.S.Dove, Left front COY A under Capt. F.J. Stratten, Right support COY D under 2/Lt. Dawkins Left support COY C under Lt. Roberts. Moppers-up were commanded by 2/Lt. C.W. Wallsi (D Coy) & 2/Lt. R.W. Phillips (B Coy)

Our objective was known as the Green Line. It extended from the front edge of Ravine Wood on the right, via Olive Trench, to the Hollbeke Road on the left. The objective was gained without much difficulty, the Coy on the right consolidating well in front of Ravine Wood & Verhaest Farm. Owing to the Division on our left not coming forward with us, ‘A’ Coy was left with their flank in the air and had to perform a difficult movement to protect themselves. They were therefore unable to consolidate the left half of Olive Trench. ‘C’ Coy (Left Support Coy) had to be called on to assist ‘A’ Coy (Left Front) to form a defensive flank. During the first day the enemy’s artillery was erratic & the Bn. suffered more from lack of water than from anything else. During the attack about 100 unwounded & 20 wounded were captured, mostly in the Ravine – also 5 machine guns, 1 trench mortar & a large quantity of material. The prisoners included 2 officers.

8th June 1917: Quiet in the morning. Patrols on right Coy front found no sign of enemy – on left Olive Trench was found to be held by enemy. Shelling in afternoon. Heavy reciprocal fire by both artilleries from 7 p.m. to 9. p.m.

Arthur Alexander Hodgson has no known grave and is recorded on the Menin Gate, panels 49-51.

Arthur's elder brother, Pte. Nathaniel Pearce Hodgson (L/10215), was also killed while serving with the 3rd Battalion Middlesex Regiment, near St. Eloi on 15th February 1915.




242635

Bert Hodgson

British Army 149th (Wakefield) Heavy Battery Royal Garrison Artillery




242658

Gnr. Bert Hodgson

British Army 149th Heavy Battery Royal Garrison Artillery

from:Blackpool

Bert Hodgson was just a regular guy doing his duty, my grandad and all his batallion. To me they were all brave men. Many of whom never returned home. For whatever reason my Grandad Bert never ever talked about any of experiences. I've got his medals and his bayonet and scabbard of which I'm proud to own. I also have a sepia panoramic photograph of grandad and the whole battalion hanging on my wall showing the regimental mascot a little black and white terrier. I would like to learn more about Grandad Bert but being as he didn't want to talk about the war perhaps it's best left alone.







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